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COVID19 in Nigeria: IDEAS issues Episode 68 (27/3/20)

because you may remember that we discussed it a month ago, at the end of February, and we talked about the issue of trust, and how, because we have an Integrity, Ethics and Accountability deficit, that we have this trust deficit. But I think that since then, events on the Corona virus front have really moved on apace, if I can put it like that, in the sense that we seem to be having … on the one hand we have … it seems as though we have a good technical response in regard to the issue of tracing and treating people who have come into contact with Corona virus carriers. But on the other, we have these … questions at every level …

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The Abule Ado Explosion and IDEAS, Episode 67 (20/3/20)

mean what happened, according to the NNPC, a truck ran into a gas processing plant and it exploded, and that caused damage to the houses around, and it also caused damage to the NNPC pipeline. Now … it’s not been quite clear, because looking at the damage that was done in Abule Abo, it … of course I don’t know how many gas cylinders we’re talking about, but the extensive amount of damage, I mean I take my gas cylinders to a gas filling, a gas processing plant, and it’s in the middle of a residential area of course, but I can’t imagine that they have that many cylinders, I just can’t imagine what’s going on.

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Coronavirus and Budget 2020, Episode 66 (28/2/20)

Good evening everybody in the studio, because we’ve got a lot to discuss. Obviously what I really wanted to discuss with you guys from BudgIT, Damilola and Olaniyi, are some of the IDEAS issues that arise from the Budget, but I thought that in light of the disclosure, or the confirmation as Aghogho said, that we have a confirmed case of Coronavirus in the country, that there are some IDEAS issues that arise before we get to the budgetary aspect of it. Because, I mean, I was listening to the radio this morning, and I don’t know if you know that Nigeria’s obviously not the first country to have this … have a confirmed case … Aghogho, I’m looking at you using your hand sanitizer there.


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Ier Jonathan-Ichaver: Mass Atrocity Deaths Report, Episode 65 (21/2/20)

You’re welcome. Ier, as I was saying, what IDEAS tries to look at in issues of moment, are Integrity, Democracy, Ethics and Accountability. Now it comes under the general heading of anti-corruption, but as we always say, corruption is not just about the money and where that’s gone. Because in … when a report of this nature comes out, I think – I mean, before I get into the issues of who is accountable for it – I would like you to perhaps just give us a brief explanation of what the report is. It’s a very short report, but in that … in its nine pages, including the cover page, it packs a powerful punch. And I wonder if you can give us a brief explanation of what’s in the report?


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Accountability for the Use of Torture by Security Agencies. Episode 64 (14/2/20)

The BBC report is about a particular form of torture used by the security agencies in Nigeria called ‘Tabeh’. But it … it speaks to … they focused on a particular form, but it actually speaks to the wider issue of Accountability, and that’s why IDEAS, which as you know is about Integrity, Democracy, Ethics and Accountability, that’s why IDEAS is asking this question: Who is being held Accountable where the security agencies breach the laws against torture?

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INEC deregisters 74 political parties. Episode 63 (7/2/20).

eah, I mean I think Rotimi, the first thing that we need to, when we’re talking about IDEAS, this is not … people have been talking about this as though it is a political decision by INEC, or as though it is a subjective matter within the discretion of INEC. And so I think that if we are trying to see: Is INEC behaving … with … in an Ethical manner, behaving with Integrity and so on, we need to emphasise that actually, at this point in the proceedings, the … those issues don’t really come into it because INEC is applying a formula that had been put into the issue of registration, or of deregistration, by the Fourth Alteration to the Nigerian Constitution, which was the amendment to section 225A of the Constitution. So what has been done is not that INEC has woken up and decided: We have too many parties, we’re going to remove some of them. INEC has actually done what it should, what is expected of it, and …

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IDEAS and the Lagos State Okada/Kẹkẹ Restrictions. Episode 62 (31/01/20)

Well, as I said, there are … this matter raises IDEAS issues, because as you know IDEAS is about Integrity, Democracy, Ethics and Accountability. And one of the issues, one of the questions that has been raised, is that: Where does this come from? … And the Government, in its publicity, is saying: It is the 2018 law, Transport Sector Reform Law of Lagos State, that we are merely enforcing. Ok? So that’s one aspect of it. And of course the immediate response is: But that particular piece of legislation said that the ban on plying certain named routes would only affect those motorcycles which had an engine capacity of less than 200 cubic centimetres. And, but the government, in its publicity, Lagos State Government in its publicity, has been justifying … the question had been asked: Why is it going … why must it affect “Gokada” and … similar ride-hailing … people who use ride hailing apps? Why is it affecting those? And it does seem to me that the government, if it’s going to say that: We’re standing on the 2018 Law, then it has to stick to that.


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Drama, the Creative Arts and IDEAS: Joshua Alabi of KiNiNso Koncepts. Episode 61 (24/01/20)

But before I get into the discussion with Joshua about the role of the creative arts in public awareness, education and so on, I should say that one of my … our correspondents on Twitter did express some sorrow that the programme only lasts for such a short while, and that we should have some phone-in. And so I was sort of saying: Yes! You see! My listeners are keen to have me! Then he said: Yes, because I wanted to correct a mistake that you made in your last programme! So I think I should correct that mistake, which was that I was talking … it’s education-related, I should say. We were talking about the decision by JAMB that … to demand what I said was the National Identity Card, and then they later said: Ok, no, you don’t need it. But what Mr. T.C.P. Whyte said was, that he wanted to correct, was that JAMB asked candidates to get their NIMC, their National Identity

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IDEAS and the Use or Abuse of Public Power & Property. Episode 60 (17/01/20).

Hello Rotimi. But I always like to try and accentuate the positive, so I would rather say that rather than saying we’re going to look at abuse, we are going to look at the IDEAS issues in the use of public property and the use of public power generally. I mean, the one that springs to mind immediately, the one that I put out on the Twitterfeed, was the question of so many people who were trying to register for JAMB (the Joint Admissions and Matriculations Board) examinations, and they were instructed that they would not be able to register unless they had their National Identity Card. Now, there are issues with the National Identity Card as it is, I’m sure I’ve told you that they awarded me my law partner’s date of birth and said that I can’t change it, even though the Bank Verification Number on which it was based had been changed.

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IDEAS issues in Àmọtẹkùn. Episode 59 (10/01/20).

Well, it’s in the same stand … it stands in the same shoes as the Hisbah in Kano, because I notice that the … the National Congress of Northern Youths, or some similar group, had complained … National … Northern Youth Council of Nigeria … had berated the South West Governors for establishing Àmọtẹkùn, and I’m just thinking to myself that the issue should not be that because the Governors have joined up together. I mean one of the things that we’ve always said about the question of whether we want to establish regional governments, is that you don’t have to be forced into cooperation with anybody. That’s why you found Lake rice because Lagos decided to cooperate with Kebbi state on the issue of rice production. Now, the South West Governors have decided to cooperate on the issue of a state security type of outfit.


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DEAS: The President’s New Year’s Day Message. Episode 58 (03/01/20)

Well, it’s not … flood has been our own issue. Flood, soil erosion and so on. But Rotimi, we … if we’re talking about what we don’t want to come our way in 2020, that’s one thing. But the President in his New Year message to Nigerians, did tell us about a lot of the things that would be coming, not just in 2020, but in fact, one of the first references that he made, was in his speech, where he talked about what would be coming in 2023: which is to say that he would not be contesting for elections. Now, in IDEAS we try to look for the IDEAS content, that’s Integrity, Ethics, Accountability; and I thought that that statement was particularly important because he combined it with a promise to seek “valid ethical elections”, and … to assist the Independent National Election … Electoral Commission and our neighbouring countries to strengthen the electoral process in Nigeria and across the region. And the reason why I thought that … although

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IDEAS: The AGF and Court Orders. Episode 57 (27/12/19).

Oh, really?! Well, definitely I have to first of all say ‘Compliments of the Season’. I hope that all IDEAS listeners had a Merry Christmas and that they are looking forward to a Happy, Prosperous, Peaceful etc. etc. New Year. One of the things that may or may not determine the shape of the New Year is the topic that we’re going to be discussing today Rotimi, which is the apparent volte face by the Attorney-General of the Federation over the issue of compliance with orders of court. You will recall that a few weeks ago, when the Attorney-General … when there was this very unseemly and disgraceful fracas in the Federal High Court after Omoyele Sowore had been released, and then he had come to court and he …

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